{"comments":{"1138999":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1138999","comment_id":"1138999","member_id":"68733","comment":"Joe, to further emphasize a point, if Paugh had scored they would only have dropped off 25 more points, still would have been fourth by a bit.At 190","date_added":"Oct 11th 2014, 9:05pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1138997":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1138997","comment_id":"1138997","member_id":"3300","comment":"

<\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p>

\nwell, we will see if you are true to your word
\n
\nAnd when I am wrong I admit it, CBA had a rough day today, no two ways around that
\n
\nFM was on fire and CBA looks like they were never in it. FM had four guys under 12:40 on this layout
\n
\n
\nI do not remember an important or visible meet where they had a day like this when much was expected. It does happen.
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\n
\n...and then some. Greg Paugh, who ran the JV race, would have been their second varsity scorer today.","date_added":"Oct 11th 2014, 9:01pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"1138993":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1138993","comment_id":"1138993","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p>

\nwell, we will see if you are true to your word
\n
\nAnd when I am wrong I admit it, CBA had a rough day today, no two ways around that
\n
\nFM was on fire and CBA looks like they were never in it. FM had four guys under 12:40 on this layout
\n
\n
\nI do not remember an important or visible meet where they had a day like this when much was expected. It does happen.
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\n
\nI don't know why you would doubt it: CC has dropped in the rankings every week, and since they didn't run particularly well, will continue to do so. That's exactly what my ranking philosophy dictates: if you haven't run well recently, you drop. If you HAVE run well recently, you move up. It's not rocket science, it's not unreasonable, and it's not unfair.","date_added":"Oct 11th 2014, 9:03pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1138992":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1138992","comment_id":"1138992","member_id":"68733","comment":"well, we will see if you are true to your word
\n
\nAnd when I am wrong I admit it, CBA had a rough day today, no two ways around that
\n
\nFM was on fire and CBA looks like they were never in it. FM had four guys under 12:40 on this layout
\n
\n
\nI do not remember an important or visible meet where they had a day like this when much was expected. It does happen.","date_added":"Oct 11th 2014, 8:41pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1138989":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1138989","comment_id":"1138989","member_id":"43715","comment":"Again, teams don't drop because they have one bad race, so I don't forsee Great Oak dropping just because of what they ran. They might drop because of what other teams run, though. Same for Southlake Carroll.
\n
\nCC will drop a bit, possibly out of the top 40 we will see.","date_added":"Oct 11th 2014, 8:06pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1138921":{"pb_id":"50627","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1138921","comment_id":"1138921","member_id":"50627","comment":"Teams that raced in Clovis should shake this ranking up quite a bit. In my opinion, Clovis tells us the following:
\n
\nGreat Oak should drop 5-10 spots.
\nCanyon should be in the top 30.
\nMadera is hiding their 5th guy again, should retain their ranking.
\nClaremont should retain their ranking.
\nSouthlake Carroll should drop about 10-15 spots.
\nCentral Catholic should drop out of top 40.","date_added":"Oct 11th 2014, 6:15pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"cerutty fan","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50627","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=50627","pb_wally_id":"1212787"},"1137775":{"pb_id":"43703","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137775","comment_id":"1137775","member_id":"43703","comment":"

<\/a>watchout, on , said:<\/p>

\nIt was in Hoover in 2007 (because that's where the NXN-SE regional was that year), but otherwise I think it's been at WakeMed every year.
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\nFrom 2006-2008 GA was in Hoover. We won it there in 07, as well as NXNSE. It was a deceptively slow course.
\n
\nI think the first xc result I saw from wakemed was in 2004.","date_added":"Oct 9th 2014, 12:10am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"ORXCCoach","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43703","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43703","pb_wally_id":"1073472"},"1137697":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137697","comment_id":"1137697","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>GeorgieTheK, on , said:<\/p>

\nJoe:
\n
\nDo you know of a top 10 (or deeper) list for the course? Individuals, primarily, but I'd be curious about team avg's too.
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\nFrom my files, this was what I had (prior to this year):
\n
\n
\nBoys Individuals Sub-15:10 (18):
\n
\n14:43.60 - Sean McGorty - 12 - Chantilly VA - 2012
\n14:43.90 - Jacob Thomson - 12 - Holy Cross KY - 2012
\n14:57.50 - Josh Brickell - 12 - Peachtree Ridge GA - 2012
\n14:57.60 - Daniel Moore - 12 - Holy Trinity Academy FL - 2011
\n14:58.50 - Elliot Clemente - 12 - Belen Jesuit FL - 2011
\n14:59.20 - Thomas Madden - 12 - Skyline VA - 2012
\n15:00.20 - Jacob Burcham - 11 - Cabell Midland WV - 2011
\n15:00.20 - Armando DelValle - 12 - Miami Columbus FL - 2010
\n15:02.80 - Jacob Thomson - 11 - Holy Cross KY - 2011
\n15:03.20 - Sandy Roberts - 12 - Broughton NC - 2005
\n15:03.30 - Bakri Abushouk - 12 - Cary NC - 2012
\n15:05.70 - Taylor Caldwell - 12 - Brentwood TN - 2013
\n15:07.00 - Thomas Graham - 12 - Cary Academy NC - 2011
\n15:07.20 - Thomas Mulroy - 12 - Midlothian VA - 2013
\n15:07.90 - Tyler Spear - 12 - Loyola Blakefield MD - 2013
\n15:09.40 - Austin Sprague - 12 - St. Pius X GA - 2013
\n15:09.80 - Jacob Burcham - 12 - Cabell Midland WV - 2012
\n15:10.00 - Adam Visokay - 12 - Albemarle VA - 2011
\n
\n
\nGirls Individuals Sub-17:40 (35):
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\n16:40.90 - Aisling Cuffe - 12 - Cornwall NY - 2010
\n16:56.31 - Aislinn Ryan - 11 - Warwick Valley NY - 2004
\n17:01.40 - Julie Macedo - 12 - Charter of Wilmington DE - 2011
\n17:05.50 - Aislinn Ryan - 12 - Warwick Valley NY - 2005
\n17:10.00 - Wesley Frazier - 9 - Ravenscroft NC - 2009
\n17:11.10 - Haley Pierce - 12 - Tatnall DE - 2011
\n17:14.00 - Carolyn Baskir - 12 - East Chapel Hill NC - 2009
\n17:14.60 - Kathleen Stevens - 12 - Blacksburg VA - 2009
\n17:17.00 - Samantha Nadel - 10 - North Shore NY - 2009
\n17:17.00 - Wesley Frazier - 12 - Ravenscroft NC - 2012
\n17:23.00 - Ashley Brasovan - 8 - Wellington FL - 2005
\n17:23.21 - Whitney Anderson - 12 - Summit CO - 2004
\n17:24.40 - Annie LeHardy - 12 - Hidden Valley VA - 2010
\n17:24.50 - Joanna Stevens - 12 - Blacksburg VA - 2009
\n17:25.10 - Hannah Christen - 11 - Lake Braddock VA - 2012
\n17:25.40 - Kelsey Margey - 11 - Harborfields NY - 2010
\n17:27.00 - Jessica Molloy - 10 - Mountain Brook AL - 2012
\n17:27.90 - Maggie Drazba - 12 - St. Mary's WV - 2012
\n17:30.00 - Hannah Long - 10 - Eureka MO - 2012
\n17:30.72 - Nicole Blood - 11 - Saratoga Springs NY - 2004
\n17:31.90 - Taylor Driscoll - 12 - Saratoga Springs NY - 2012
\n17:33.00 - Lindsey Olivere - 12 - Archmere Academy DE - 2010
\n17:33.90 - Kayla Beattie - 12 - Woodstock IL - 2010
\n17:34.00 - Amanda Winslow - 12 - Collins Hill GA - 2008
\n17:34.30 - Nora McUmber - 11 - Bethesda-Chevy Chase MD - 2013
\n17:35.10 - Cassie Hintz - 12 - Old Town ME - 2005
\n17:35.40 - Katie Fortner - 10 - Cave Spring VA - 2011
\n17:35.40 - Carolyn Bethel - 12 - Hidden Valley VA - 2012
\n17:36.17 - Erin Bedell - 12 - Plano West TX - 2004
\n17:36.60 - Kara Dickerson - 12 - Midlothian VA - 2012
\n17:36.60 - Keara Sammons - 12 - Smoky Hill CO - 2005
\n17:37.00 - Diane Robison - 12 - Parkway Central MO - 2009
\n17:37.80 - Mattie Webb - 12 - Western Albemarle VA - 2010
\n17:39.32 - Cassie Hintz - 11 - Old Town ME - 2004
\n17:39.90 - Haley Cutright - 12 - Hidden Valley VA - 2010
\n
\n
\nBoys Teams Sub-79:45 (21):
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\n77:00.20 - Christian Brothers Academy NJ 2012
\n77:13.60 - Brentwood TN 2013
\n78:01.70 - Chantilly VA 2012
\n78:05.60 - Severna Park MD 2013
\n78:09.60 - Belen Jesuit FL 2011
\n78:25.50 - St. Xavier KY 2012
\n78:28.70 - Cardinal O'Hara PA 2012
\n78:50.30 - Trinity Prep FL 2010
\n78:57.40 - Midlothian VA 2013
\n78:58.40 - Broughton NC 2013
\n79:09.80 - Blacksburg VA 2012
\n79:11.20 - Cardinal O'Hara PA 2011
\n79:13.30 - Miami Columbus FL 2010
\n79:19.40 - Midlothian VA 2010
\n79:20.30 - Brentwood TN 2012
\n79:22.40 - St. Pius X GA 2013
\n79:22.80 - Great Oak CA 2011
\n79:32.90 - Brentwood TN 2011
\n79:38.00 - Jamestown VA 2008
\n79:38.30 - Brookwood GA 2011
\n79:44.60 - Walter Johnson MD 2010
\n
\n
\nGirls Teams Sub-92:40 (13):
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\n90:08.70 - Tatnall DE 2011
\n90:18.89 - Saratoga Springs NY 2004
\n90:29.00 - Tatnall DE 2008
\n90:30.10 - Saratoga Springs NY 2010
\n91:09.60 - Saratoga Springs NY 2011
\n91:12.90 - Blacksburg VA 2009
\n91:35.00 - Collins Hill GA 2008
\n91:39.50 - Tatnall DE 2010
\n91:41.80 - Assumption KY 2012
\n92:08.80 - Tatnall DE 2009
\n92:15.00 - Saratoga Springs NY 2009
\n92:31.80 - Tatnall DE 2012
\n92:38.40 - Lake Braddock VA 2012","date_added":"Oct 8th 2014, 7:19pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1137696":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137696","comment_id":"1137696","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>ORXCCoach, on , said:<\/p>

\nI believe the course has been there since 2004. The first time we ran there, in 2005, it was rough. Now it's nice. I wouldn't call it a speedway, because it does have a number of hills--certainly it's not McAlpine, Tom Sawyer, or Oakville--but the path is packed very hard now, like concrete.
\n
\nWeather was perfect on Saturday, and Hunter was able to run alone for most of the time--I'd say that's why it ran so fast for him, other than the fact that he was absolutely hauling butt.
\n
\nIt also looked to me as if Marietta and Boone ran their best races of the year by far.
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\n
\nIt was in Hoover in 2007 (because that's where the NXN-SE regional was that year), but otherwise I think it's been at WakeMed every year.","date_added":"Oct 8th 2014, 7:15pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1137641":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137641","comment_id":"1137641","member_id":"3300","comment":"

<\/a>GeorgieTheK, on , said:<\/p>

\nJoe:
\n
\nDo you know of a top 10 (or deeper) list for the course? Individuals, primarily, but I'd be curious about team avg's too.
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\n
\nGeorge,
\n
\nThere's a history page for the meet and the venue on our website here: http:\/\/www.nationals...org\/gacc\/stats\/<\/a>
\n
\nNot too much on teams there but Jim Spier has put up a very deep Wake Med individual list there for both girls and boys.","date_added":"Oct 8th 2014, 3:42pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"1137640":{"pb_id":"43639","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137640","comment_id":"1137640","member_id":"43639","comment":"

<\/a>Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:<\/p>

\nDaniel Boone is the best team that few know about. I knew they were good when we seeded them into the ROC and they didn't disappoint. Marietta obviously was really good too.
\n
\nHunter wasn't that far ahead of Philip Hall when they came up the hill the first time but Hall was clearly suffering from something and he DNFed due to an injury he had going into the race. Maybe he shouldn't have tried it, I don't know.
\n
\nI think running on that course you WANT people with you. There's certainly enough room and no sharp turns or anything. The hill is there - twice - so having someone pushing you is probably not a bad thing.
\n
\nAs I said before, Hunter looked really good.
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\n
\n
\nJoe:
\n
\nDo you know of a top 10 (or deeper) list for the course? Individuals, primarily, but I'd be curious about team avg's too.","date_added":"Oct 8th 2014, 3:30pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"GeorgieTheK","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43639","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/GeorgieTheK.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1073375"},"1137628":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137628","comment_id":"1137628","member_id":"3300","comment":"

<\/a>ORXCCoach, on , said:<\/p>

\nI believe the course has been there since 2004. The first time we ran there, in 2005, it was rough. Now it's nice. I wouldn't call it a speedway, because it does have a number of hills--certainly it's not McAlpine, Tom Sawyer, or Oakville--but the path is packed very hard now, like concrete.
\n
\nWeather was perfect on Saturday, and Hunter was able to run alone for most of the time--I'd say that's why it ran so fast for him, other than the fact that he was absolutely hauling butt.
\n
\nIt also looked to me as if Marietta and Boone ran their best races of the year by far.
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\n
\nDaniel Boone is the best team that few know about. I knew they were good when we seeded them into the ROC and they didn't disappoint. Marietta obviously was really good too.
\n
\nHunter wasn't that far ahead of Philip Hall when they came up the hill the first time but Hall was clearly suffering from something and he DNFed due to an injury he had going into the race. Maybe he shouldn't have tried it, I don't know.
\n
\nI think running on that course you WANT people with you. There's certainly enough room and no sharp turns or anything. The hill is there - twice - so having someone pushing you is probably not a bad thing.
\n
\nAs I said before, Hunter looked really good.","date_added":"Oct 8th 2014, 1:21pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"1137602":{"pb_id":"43703","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137602","comment_id":"1137602","member_id":"43703","comment":"I believe the course has been there since 2004. The first time we ran there, in 2005, it was rough. Now it's nice. I wouldn't call it a speedway, because it does have a number of hills--certainly it's not McAlpine, Tom Sawyer, or Oakville--but the path is packed very hard now, like concrete.
\n
\nWeather was perfect on Saturday, and Hunter was able to run alone for most of the time--I'd say that's why it ran so fast for him, other than the fact that he was absolutely hauling butt.
\n
\nIt also looked to me as if Marietta and Boone ran their best races of the year by far.","date_added":"Oct 8th 2014, 1:04pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"ORXCCoach","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43703","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43703","pb_wally_id":"1073472"},"1137395":{"pb_id":"46488","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137395","comment_id":"1137395","member_id":"46488","comment":""Unfortunately this thread is in regards to Team Rankings.
\n
\nRead more: National Team Rankings - 10\/2 Boys - XC - DyeStat - DyeStat.com Track Talk - Page 4"
\n
\nLOL","date_added":"Oct 8th 2014, 12:11am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-46488.jpg","pb_title":"Chardongirls1978","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=46488","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Chardongirls1978.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1145194"},"1137392":{"pb_id":"69579","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137392","comment_id":"1137392","member_id":"69579","comment":"We get it, the Fischer kid is the top dog, a super talent. Unfortunately this thread is in regards to Team Rankings.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 11:28pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Xc911","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=69579","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Xc911.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1511823"},"1137234":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137234","comment_id":"1137234","member_id":"68733","comment":"You did? I am having a comprehension problem then, my apologies !!!! LOL","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 8:50pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1137233":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137233","comment_id":"1137233","member_id":"3300","comment":"

<\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p>

\nJoe? Come on now, you want to argue for arguments sake? Really?
\n
\n
\na course that is less than 20 years old barely even has any history, and if you were not just trying to be contrary here you would agree, all right lets say 15?
\n
\nPlsu run by greats? or at least more than a few
\n
\n
\nMcGorty is not an all time great and Thompson? not even close to that, really. Come on, you want to drill me on this, feel free.
\n
\nNo one is saying Hunter is not great, just that referencing his performaces up against a lightly run , let's say vs. a Van Cortlandt, Holmdel, SM, Ill. state mmeet course, Balboa, it's hard to say that a six year old venue or even 10-12 years old is an all time reference point.
\n
\nI thought they ran GAXC at same place for over 15 years, my bad. Not even that?
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\n
\nArgue for arguments sake? I just finished telling you that I agreed with what you have said on this thread. Geez.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 8:31pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"1137226":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137226","comment_id":"1137226","member_id":"68733","comment":"Joe? Come on now, you want to argue for arguments sake? Really?
\n
\n
\na course that is less than 20 years old barely even has any history, and if you were not just trying to be contrary here you would agree, all right lets say 15?
\n
\nPlsu run by greats? or at least more than a few
\n
\n
\nMcGorty is not an all time great and Thompson? not even close to that, really. Come on, you want to drill me on this, feel free.
\n
\nNo one is saying Hunter is not great, just that referencing his performaces up against a lightly run , let's say vs. a Van Cortlandt, Holmdel, SM, Ill. state mmeet course, Balboa, it's hard to say that a six year old venue or even 10-12 years old is an all time reference point.
\n
\nI thought they ran GAXC at same place for over 15 years, my bad. Not even that?","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 8:28pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1137211":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137211","comment_id":"1137211","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p>

\nDidn;t Fischer win FL as a junior?
\n
\nWasn't he unbeaten all of last year until Juniors?
\n
\nOff 40 miles a week max with soccer obligations
\n
\n
\nYou don;t think he is the best guy? I will tell you this. most college coaches do, trust me
\n
\nand for Hunter to be even near being an all timer, which is what the OTHER guy said, NOT ME, he would need to be well below a 15:25 guy or even 20 at Holmdel
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\n
\nYes, he was unbeaten in Michigan - plus FLMW and FLN. Though, as I said, he was challenged pretty heavily down the homestretch at FLN by a guy that returned (Dressel) who isn't even clearly the #1 GSL guy returning from last year (Anderson was just as good as he was). In track, again he was undefeated (as long as you don't count prelims) against high schoolers, with his only two non-MI competitions being the Dream Mile (where he beat another return, Maton, by about a second) and Jr Nats where he was the top prep finisher in the finals after being the fourth fastest prep in the prelims (behind another returner, Tamagno).
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\nHe is a deserving #1 because he tends to win races, but he isn't a FAR AND AWAY #1 because his times aren't much (if at all) better than his top competitors and he doesn't get the chance to really race anyone until the post season (Michigan travel rules prevent MI teams from going to many out of state meets, and not many out of state teams race in Michigan).
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\nas for Hunter being an All-Timer: I agree, if he couldn't break 15:00 at Holmdel, I wouldn't call him an All-Timer.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 8:00pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1137204":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137204","comment_id":"1137204","member_id":"45158","comment":"Fischer should be favored but as a NW guy who observes the national scene, I HIGHLY doubt Dressel, Anderson, and Maton are scared of him.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:36pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"1137202":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137202","comment_id":"1137202","member_id":"3300","comment":"

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\nTop Ten All Time?
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\nSurely you jest , he had no one near him at this speedway? That is rarely run by top level guys, and is in infancy in relative timed tested-ness(new WORD) You are so far off on what an All Timer looks like it is frightening. The guy nearest to him was what? 30 seconds back?
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\nYou think he could handle Fischer? I do not and he is not even a guranteed all timer yet.
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\nI think you need to re define what an all timer might look like.
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\nThere are pretty good reference points on here somewhere and a GAXC time winning over no notables no matter how good, is not one of them,
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\nIt may be relatively new in your eyes but some pretty good guys have run there including, as someone mentioned above, McGorty and Jacob Thompson.
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\nBTW, the place has been around since 2008 I believe so while it doesn't have the history of some other courses, its hardly brand new.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:30pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"1137201":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137201","comment_id":"1137201","member_id":"68733","comment":"Didn;t Fischer win FL as a junior?
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\nWasn't he unbeaten all of last year until Juniors?
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\nOff 40 miles a week max with soccer obligations
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\nYou don;t think he is the best guy? I will tell you this. most college coaches do, trust me
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\nand for Hunter to be even near being an all timer, which is what the OTHER guy said, NOT ME, he would need to be well below a 15:25 guy or even 20 at Holmdel","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:36pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1137199":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137199","comment_id":"1137199","member_id":"45158","comment":"Jumping into this conversation mid-thread, I don't think it was ever crystal clear what "all timer" meant ... whether that meant one of the best this season or all time. On top of that is it all time state, region, or nation?
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\nPersonally I assumed it meant all time, US. However how people define that is 1. subjective and 2. needs to be determined how deep a list goes (top 10 all time list or top 50 or top 100, etc).","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:28pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"1137198":{"pb_id":"69579","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137198","comment_id":"1137198","member_id":"69579","comment":"I mean top 10 in the country, not all time, my bad.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:26pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Xc911","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=69579","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Xc911.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1511823"},"1137197":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1137197","comment_id":"1137197","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p>

\n1. Hunter is not nearly an All Timer, not on the track yet or XC
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\n2. Fischer is by far THE best guy and in Cross. I am not even sure yet he is an All TImer
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\nwhen I think of an All Timer in Cross, I think, never gets beaten except by OTHER All Timers OF All Timers. or just never gets beat , wins eeverything and then some.
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\nHunter has run 8:53.xx so many have run faster, but NOT as sophs, I get that and 4:10.94 is not even that special for a soph anymore
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\nLet's see what he does, he has a waaaaays to go for me to put him with certain guys.
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\nFisher had a challenge late last year from a guy that is back, and wasn't even the clear best returner from his league. How does that make him BY FAR the best guy in XC? It's hard to gauge Fisher, because he doesn't run against anyone from outside his state (and he's just getting into things), but how can you say he is BY FAR the best, and guys running All-Time marks in notable meets can't possibly be near him?
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\nAlso, I never said Hunter was ALL TIME, just that he is a great runner, running times extremely similar to a recent FLN Runner-up, is probably a Top 5 guy this year and would probably be running 15:20-15:25 if he was running at Holmdel.","date_added":"Oct 7th 2014, 7:19pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"}},"last_id":"1137197","url":"comments.php?item_type=news&item_id=287145&item_url=profile.php?member_id=50765"}