{"comments":{"1144461":{"pb_id":"68733","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1144461","comment_id":"1144461","member_id":"68733","comment":"Indeed..
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\nMany agree , but , but after FM domination in 2004, I believe it was and getting beat at Nationals? I think, many have downplayed the 2.5 time tested Vanny results
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\nNot me, this is all time stuff no matter where it was or the distance","date_added":"Oct 14th 2014, 6:37pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"King999","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=68733","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/King999.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1493915"},"1144244":{"pb_id":"43639","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1144244","comment_id":"1144244","member_id":"43639","comment":"

<\/a>King999, on , said:<\/p>

\nI rarely use team times OR even 5 man avgs to look at a race
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\nThey get too skewed by one guy possibly, which happened today
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\nThe issue here today was that this was a very fast race 20 under 12:45 35 under 13:00, when you pick up scoring at second with 47th you have no chance, in this type of field.
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\nI'm just getting to the results after being in the mountains all weekend.
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\nTo borrow a kingism - FM a horror show. Seriously.
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\nAre we not talking about this? I know the race was fast, etc. But they had their #2 guy at 12:21, and 4 guys under 12:40.
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\nI think CBA ran really poorly, as poorly as they have run in the past 10 years. In fact, the last time they had a team that was good enough to run well and didn't was...at Manhattan in 2004 when they got waxed by FM. But even on their best day they don't come close to FM.
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\nFM's performance might be the best HS team performance ever. Top guy who is legitimately one of the best 5-10 guys in the country (if not better), with 3 other guys within 30 secs of him.
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\nScary stuff. Kudos to them.","date_added":"Oct 14th 2014, 2:39pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"GeorgieTheK","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43639","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/GeorgieTheK.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1073375"},"1140246":{"pb_id":"50627","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1140246","comment_id":"1140246","member_id":"50627","comment":"

<\/a>watchout, on , said:<\/p>

\nSo... they scored essentially the same amount of points as a pair of US#15-30 ranked teams and not far off a US Top-5 team, while some of their runners had clearly bad days (their #3 and #4 ran as their #7 and #6 in the championship race, and two of their 'B' team runners ran faster than they did as well), and you think that means that, despite running well and winning Nike South last week<\/span> clearly showing they are either #1 or #2 in Texas and #2 or #3 in the South, and what that all means is they should drop back to #29-34 (behind teams they beat last week)?
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\nCome on.
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\nEDIT: Let's take a closer look at this, because it's a great example of how the snapshot of a single race can show something different than what the actual results over the course of the season has shown.
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\nOn the left is the rank within their team (including a quick estimate of the race today) and on the right is how they ran (all were in the championship race).
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\nClaremont -
\n#1\/2 Adam Johnson = #31 (15:48.25)
\n#1\/2 Mike Lowrie = #19 (15:38.09)
\n#3 Jonah Ross = #16 (15:36.51)
\n#4 Dylan Powers = #45 (16:00.61)
\n#5\/6 Tom Englebert = #67 (16:16.26)
\n#5\/6 Jonah Evans = #76 (16:20.17)
\n#7 Tab Backman = #119 (16:40.69)
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\nCanyon -
\n#1 Wesley Walsh = #5 (15:23.32)
\n#2 Chance Lamberth = #8 (15:26.76)
\n#3\/4 Ryan Thompson = #40 (15:57.29)
\n#3\/4 Dylan Scarsone = #28 (15:46.41)
\n#5\/6 Dalton Tanner = #94 (16:27.45)
\n#5\/6 Travis Gradijan = #95 (16:28.07)
\n#7 Omar Ledezma = #151 (17:04.28)
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\nSouthlake Carroll -
\n#1 Eli Canal = #22 (15:43.60)
\n#2 Reed Brown = #18 (15:37.60)
\n#3 Timou Toure = #103 (16:32.21)
\n#4\/5 Ansel Richards = #70 (16:18.02)
\n#4\/5 Shea Whatley = #42 (15:58.60)
\n#6 Charles Gardner = #43 (15:59.18)
\n#7 Johnny Kemps = #60 (16:11.76)
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\nSo, Southlake Carroll's #5\/6 guys (though not on this day) beat Claremont's #4, and Southlake Carroll's #1-2 punch (both today and their usual runners) beat Claremont's #1-2 punch.
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\nMeanwhile, Southlake Carroll's #5\/6 guys (though not on this day) were far ahead of Canyon's #5; their #5 on the day was STILL almost 10 seconds ahead of Canyon's, and their #4's were very similar (though Canyon had the better day up front).
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\nDespite the fact that the only reason Canyon (175) and Claremont (178) scored less points than Southlake Carroll (185) was because of the makeup of the Championship race's field, the fact that Southlake Carroll had a more significant trek to get to the meet, were coming off a big win the week before, and had a worse day when looking at "who ran what" vs. "who should have run what", you believe all that is irrelevant because Canyon scored 175 points, Claremont scored 178 points, and Southlake Carroll scored 185 in the championship race.
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\nThat's correct. As they say, "scoreboard".","date_added":"Oct 12th 2014, 3:43am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"cerutty fan","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50627","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=50627","pb_wally_id":"1212787"},"1139604":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1139604","comment_id":"1139604","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>cerutty fan, on , said:<\/p>

\nI would still say they should drop at least 10-15 spots to 29-34 range. I wouldn't rank them based on a "merged" score using runners that raced in less competitive races and therefore had less traffic to negotiate given where they finished. Their boys that ran 16:02 (10th place in DI) and 16:09 (14th in DI) wouldn't necessarily have run faster than their 5th runner (16:11 for 69th) did in the Championship race.
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\nIn this case the merged scored definitely does not take precedence over the actual race score. If they had one or two kids run 30-40 seconds faster in the DI race then that would be different.
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\nSo... they scored essentially the same amount of points as a pair of US#15-30 ranked teams and not far off a US Top-5 team, while some of their runners had clearly bad days (their #3 and #4 ran as their #7 and #6 in the championship race, and two of their 'B' team runners ran faster than they did as well), and you think that means that, despite running well and winning Nike South last week<\/span> clearly showing they are either #1 or #2 in Texas and #2 or #3 in the South, and what that all means is they should drop back to #29-34 (behind teams they beat last week)?
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\nCome on.
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\nEDIT: Let's take a closer look at this, because it's a great example of how the snapshot of a single race can show something different than what the actual results over the course of the season has shown.
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\nOn the left is the rank within their team (including a quick estimate of the race today) and on the right is how they ran (all were in the championship race).
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\nClaremont -
\n#1\/2 Adam Johnson = #31 (15:48.25)
\n#1\/2 Mike Lowrie = #19 (15:38.09)
\n#3 Jonah Ross = #16 (15:36.51)
\n#4 Dylan Powers = #45 (16:00.61)
\n#5\/6 Tom Englebert = #67 (16:16.26)
\n#5\/6 Jonah Evans = #76 (16:20.17)
\n#7 Tab Backman = #119 (16:40.69)
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\nCanyon -
\n#1 Wesley Walsh = #5 (15:23.32)
\n#2 Chance Lamberth = #8 (15:26.76)
\n#3\/4 Ryan Thompson = #40 (15:57.29)
\n#3\/4 Dylan Scarsone = #28 (15:46.41)
\n#5\/6 Dalton Tanner = #94 (16:27.45)
\n#5\/6 Travis Gradijan = #95 (16:28.07)
\n#7 Omar Ledezma = #151 (17:04.28)
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\nSouthlake Carroll -
\n#1 Eli Canal = #22 (15:43.60)
\n#2 Reed Brown = #18 (15:37.60)
\n#3 Timou Toure = #103 (16:32.21)
\n#4\/5 Ansel Richards = #70 (16:18.02)
\n#4\/5 Shea Whatley = #42 (15:58.60)
\n#6 Charles Gardner = #43 (15:59.18)
\n#7 Johnny Kemps = #60 (16:11.76)
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\nSo, Southlake Carroll's #5\/6 guys (though not on this day) beat Claremont's #4, and Southlake Carroll's #1-2 punch (both today and their usual runners) beat Claremont's #1-2 punch.
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\nMeanwhile, Southlake Carroll's #5\/6 guys (though not on this day) were far ahead of Canyon's #5; their #5 on the day was STILL almost 10 seconds ahead of Canyon's, and their #4's were very similar (though Canyon had the better day up front).
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\nDespite the fact that the only reason Canyon (175) and Claremont (178) scored less points than Southlake Carroll (185) was because of the makeup of the Championship race's field, the fact that Southlake Carroll had a more significant trek to get to the meet, were coming off a big win the week before, and had a worse day when looking at "who ran what" vs. "who should have run what", you believe all that is irrelevant because Canyon scored 175 points, Claremont scored 178 points, and Southlake Carroll scored 185 in the championship race.","date_added":"Oct 11th 2014, 11:48pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287145,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1139598":{"pb_id":"50627","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1139598","comment_id":"1139598","member_id":"50627","comment":"

<\/a>watchout, on , said:<\/p>

\nNow that all the races at Clovis are done, Southlake Carroll ends up #2 in the full merge. Anyone still think they should drop out of the top 30?
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\nEDIT: Power merge scores =
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